Inuyasha Chapter 502 Full Spoiler

Filed under: Spoilers — Starks at 4:47 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2007
Inuyasha v51 ch502 "Akashi" (Proof)

犬夜叉 第502話 「証」

(Courtesy of Anonymous Poster on 2ch.net and our translator, Patches.)

 

Sesshoumaru does Meidou Zangestuha. Monologue. Inuyasha appears to have been swallowed into Hell.

Scene change to Byakuya and Naraku's head. They talk. Naraku says he wants to see more and thrusts his tentacle into Byakuya's eye. Somehow he's able to see better.

Scene change to Sesshoumaru. Monologue. He casts Tenseiga into Hell. Tenseiga pulses. Inuyasha appears. Tessaiga has scales.

Inuyasha monologue. He gives an indication that he's cutting something with Tessaiga. It looks like it's Inuyasha's youketsu.

Scene change to Byakuya and Naraku. They talk.

Scene change to Inuyasha. Monologue. It looks like he's cut the youketsu. He attacks with Tessaiga.

Inuyasha: 'The youki is… flowing in!'

Sesshoumaru: 'The youki became larger…?!'

As Naraku had thought, the Meidou was eroding Inuyasha's youki.

Sesshoumaru: 'This is proof of the sword's successor… huh.' To the next issue.

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LucifielNo Gravatar

April 14, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

interesting….  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 14, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

Indeed. So long, Sess. :/  (Quote)

EnginEErNo Gravatar

April 14, 2007 @ 6:12 pm

cant be … :'(  (Quote)

EnginEErNo Gravatar

April 14, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

3591: oh no, cant be … :'(  (Quote)

EliseNo Gravatar

April 14, 2007 @ 6:37 pm

I feel little confused, I am sure that it will be more clear in the actual chapter. But, yeah…seems there is some conclusion to this issue around the corner.  (Quote)

Yin-Yang Heart

April 14, 2007 @ 6:43 pm

Hmm, someone pointed out a possible error in the translation of this chapter over at Inuyasha.org. Naraku is thinking Inuyasha's youki is eroding the mediou? Not that the Mediou is eroding the youki. And I tend to agree with the person who pointed that out, just cause of what eroding means and that it makes more sense this way.  (Quote)

Patches

April 14, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

Ah, you're right, it's not "The Meidou is eroding Inuyasha's youki", it's "The Meidou is being eroded by Inuyasha's youki."

… God, I hate the Japanese obsession with passive voice. x__x  (Quote)

shadow dragon

April 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm

It doesn't look too good for Sess-_-  (Quote)

confused

April 14, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

does this mean that sess will finally surpass his father in strength b/c he gave up on the swords?  (Quote)

Anonymous

April 14, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

I love this website  (Quote)

ArvaelNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 3:58 am

I agree with Elise, I'm a little confused now, though I'm sure the chapter will clear thing up…
But when I reached the last sentence in the preview, I was like: 'What the hell? It still continues???'
I mean, this arc is seemingly endless, ne?

And I do hope that Sesshoumaru will be okay… though I still don't understand, why he would cast Tenseiga into the Meidou? :S  (Quote)

Yin-Yang Heart

April 15, 2007 @ 7:08 am

Well, I think he casts it into the mediou as a way of keeping his word about discarding both swords should he feel IY failed his little test, but then it turns out he didn't dissapoint Sess afterall. though I still wonder if IY could have eventualy eroded the mediou even without Sess discarding his sword? sure, it could take days for him to do it, but it could have still been very possible.  (Quote)

Starshine

April 15, 2007 @ 7:24 am

Arvael: Didn´t he say that if he won, he would be getting rid of both swords? Guess he is not very fond of Tenseiga at this moment. An angsty moment for him, no doubt.

About the only thing I like about this so far is the nice way IY confirms he´s Tenseiga succesor, by measuring his youki against the Meidou, and not by creating a Meidou himself. Wouldn´t have been logical for him to master it in one sweep.  (Quote)

ArvaelNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 7:49 am

Ah! ~lightbulb~
I totally forgot that for a moment here… oops^^"
Thanks for boht of you clearing it up for me! ;)

PS.: Poor Tenseiga… T_T I liked Tenseiga… ~sniff~ Though, I guess I can understand Sesshoumaru's reaction now… :/  (Quote)

Shouki

April 15, 2007 @ 9:51 am

Poor Sessho? No, poor Byakuya.
I don't like the Meidou attack, and I hope Inu doesn't use it. If Naraku is swallowed into hell, he'll definitely manage to find a way out. So, what's the point?  (Quote)

Starshine

April 15, 2007 @ 10:28 am

By the way: what IS it with Tenseiga now? I´t still exists, it seems. It´s given back IY´s techniques, but not the Meidou. Think Sess will go into Hell to retrieve it, now he knows IY is not defeated? Hm… guess not, but than, is Tenseiga to be left laying(??) around Hell somewhere?

Note to self: English verbs "lay" and "lie", and their -ed/-ing forms are EVIL! Will I ever feel safe using them? Hardly unlikely…  (Quote)

PlinyNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 11:18 am

Wait- what is the proof? That Sessh mentions in the last lines?  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 12:18 pm

I'm guessing it means that he has his proof now that Inuyasha is the true successor of the swords…? Er, something like that anyway.  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 12:23 pm

Whatever else happens, it appears that Sesshoumaru is fulfilling Totosai's prophecy. Everything is setting up for him to surpass his father before the series ends. I guess there will be two more "power up" arcs. Inuyasha will have to figure out how to use tenseiga's powers, and Sesshoumaru will (probably) receive a sword made from his own fang. While I think it was unnecessary power, giving Inuyasha the healing tenseiga could be big. If Miroku dies, Inuyasha can save him, rather then begging Sesshoumaru. That alone makes this arc important.  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

PS. I meant I think the meidu was an unnecessary power for Inuyasha to gain.  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm

You don't think that the reason behind him getting that power is that it'll be the way they finally rid themselves of Naraku (by casting him to hell)?

It's just a thought. I'm not really sure, myself.  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

Shouki is right. Casting Naraku to hell wouldn't do anything. If a meidou could knock him out, Sess would have already tried. That aside, if IY can make it out (which he will here), Naraku could easily. And also, Kikyou said his soul must be destroyed which meidou cannot do. Escaping a meidou would be a walk in the park to Naraku. The attack is pointless against him.

But… poor Sesshoumaru? I guess I don't understand the pity here. He came with the intention of killing his much less powerful own brother (which this chapter verifies he was completely willing to do as he meidou'ed him). I think that being written out of the series is him getting off easy, so he and his fans should feel lucky. Considering his actions here and before, his death would not at all be unwarranted/undeserved. You should be lucky that RT (probably) will let him off easy and just have him go on his way.  (Quote)

Azula

April 15, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

I'm a little confused too at the preview but… ya, things look bad for Sesshoumaru. T_T Don't die don't die.  (Quote)

Yin-Yang Heart

April 15, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

3618
He came with the intentions of seeing if IY was the sucessor of tenseiga, he wasn't gonna find that out unless he gave him the oppertunity to steal the mediou. His origional intent wasn't to kill, but to confirm. he just figured that since IY didn't automaticaly absorb it that he failed the test. But clearly after doing what he promised to do (Throw away Tenseiga) IY prooved worthy, afterall. It couldn't have really went any other way. I don't pitty either brother though, cause IY is getting a final upgrade, and Sess is slowly but surely getting over unecessary attachments to said sword. It's still up in the air wether he'll be written out or not.  (Quote)

Yin-Yang Heart

April 15, 2007 @ 3:23 pm

I meant to say Tessaiga in that first bit, not Tenseiga, sorry.  (Quote)

Kononaraku

April 15, 2007 @ 3:58 pm

I must admit I'm a tad bit confused. This makes it appear as though Inuyasha is cutting his own youketsu with Tessaiga. Wouldn't that kill him though?  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 4:12 pm

Yin-Yang Heart: By throwing the meidou at him, he proves he's willing to kill him. For all intents and purposes, IY is dead right now. He just got absorbed by the meidou, which should have killed him. It's only because of Inupapa's intent with the swords that he is going to have the ability to escape it and live. Otherwise, a hanyou such as he simply could not do it.

Basically, if IY was not the true sucessor he would have died from that meidou being thrown. There is no doubt from that alone that test or not, Sess had absolutely no problem killing him if he didn't pass the test. Even if it were that IY was just too weak to pass said test, Sess's actions would still be extremely cruel. However, even worse in this case, IY's life hangs in the balance of his father's legacy. If he is indeed the rightful heir, he will survive. If not, he'll die. Either way, he himself has little to do with this and is basically just being used as an 'object' in Sess's conflict with his deceased father. IY has no value to Sess here.

I guess I just don't see how people can continue to say Sess is just testing him after he basically 'killed him.' There has already been a few times in this arc where he dealt IY a killing blow, and IY just happened to get lucky. Whether you like Sess or not, it's been outright stated and shown at several points that his brother's life is meaningless to him in this particular fight. If he dies, he dies. Even if he doesn't die- if Sess destroys the swords, he'll die anyway.  (Quote)

Mental_ButterflyNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

I don't think it's so much 'Poor Sesshoumaru' as it is 'Finally, Sesshoumaru is going to let things go and begin to move forward'. The whole swords thing arrested his development, which is why he was so angsty, which is why he was pissing so many people off. Hopefully taciturn-and-irritable-but-with-an-inconvenient-soft-side Sesshoumaru will come back now, Inuyasha will put the hurt on Naraku, kagome will figure out what the hell she wants to do with her future, and everyone can go on with their various journeys.  (Quote)

Mental_ButterflyNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 5:22 pm

Secondary thought: Could it not technically be argued that Sesshoumaru is, by casting away Tenseiga, voluntarily (yet inadvertently) giving it to Inuyasha?

Damn, this is gonna piss him off even more, isn't it?  (Quote)

annoymous

April 15, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

hey, has anyone thought that Inuyasha might not be able to save people's lives with tenseiga? That it might sesshoumaru's power? I'm basing this reasoning on the fact that if people could make swords that defeated death than thier wouldn't be any dead people.
Anyway just thought I would bring it up, it's not that I think it's true since RT isn't really going in that direction, just my two cents.
Another thing excalty how did that swordsmith (sry can't spell his name) make a sword that could bring the death to life?  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 15, 2007 @ 9:02 pm

I've always assumed that the tenseiga's healing power came from the Inuyasha and Sesshoumaru's father. I assumed it was a native power, like the wind scar. When tenseiga was split apart, Totosai could have paired the healing power along with the meidu, as part of ther eason Sesshoumaru received the sword was to teach him compassion and respect for life.

It is also possible that the healing power came from Shishinki, and was absorbed by tesseiga along with the meidu. RT has not explained the healing powers origins so it's all conjecture, though.

I would hope that Inuyasha absorbs the healing power along with the meidu, that way if Miroku were to die, Inuyahsa could ressurect him. My guess is it will be absorbed, but Inuyasha won't know he acquired for some time.  (Quote)

Shouki

April 15, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

I'm pretty sure the healing powers of Tensaiga go hand in hand with the Meidou; they're both powers of the afterlife. That's the reason why Tensaiga was lethal against the demons in the afterlife — it's an afterlife sword, and it does afterlife things. ;)

I'd be shocked if Inu didn't get the healing powers of Tensaiga; it just wouldn't make no sense to get the offensive afterlife powers, but not the restorative ones.  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 2:38 am

I really think it would be a poor idea for IY to get tenseiga's healing power. It would be a bad idea to let someone with that level of compassion have free reign over life and death. He'd be reviving whole villages, and the rest of the Inu-tachi would probably just encourage him. Although it would be with purely good intention and the like, he'd really end up playing god. This is the guy that was absolutely traumatized over killing a bunch of murderous bandits, and expressed compassion and anger to characters like Bankotsu and Abi-hime.

Likely Miroku won't die in the first place, so he won't need to be resurrected.  (Quote)

soSad

April 16, 2007 @ 3:38 am

Hey, there is one more possibility. What about if IY is gonna die because of absorbing too much power like Meidou. Will Sess save him? Maybe than IY will absorb all powers of tenseiga…  (Quote)

Kaze, the Wind

April 16, 2007 @ 5:16 am

I think there could be some problem for Inuyasha to absorb it because Inuyasha is half-blood youkai. But, maybe Rumiko-sang won't kill her Inuyasha^-^Don't worry~
I wonder if Sesshy will help him and (if so) how. Also I wonder what Naraku was going to do.(he said this is trap, hm?)  (Quote)

Kaze, the Wind

April 16, 2007 @ 5:20 am

I found out that I made a mistake with grammar. 'he said this Was trap' ^^;; I wonder how many mistakes there are…(even this sentence?!)  (Quote)

inuyasha

April 16, 2007 @ 7:47 am

sessh is proabably doing this so that inuyasha can obtain mediou zangteshua without actually breaking tennsiga or without being defeated badly by inuyaha  (Quote)

Dr. Sesslove

April 16, 2007 @ 10:00 am

Uh oh, if Inuyasha has the healing powers of Tenseiga, who would he be setup in the story to save? Many of us assume it to be the resigning-to-doom Miroku, should he succumb to the intake of poison (I don't know how Inu could save Miroku if his growing wind-tunnel sucked him and his body away). The other marked-for-doom tragic character, Kohaku, has already been pointedly ruled out by Sesshoumaru's mother.

But what would hurt Inuyasha the most, or give him the opportunity to finally save someone in the way he always couldn't do for Kikyo? Who is the most important key to purifying the jewel, and at the beginnning of this arc who was Inuyasha so worried over with foreboding of the final battle with Naraku that he had to visit her back in Tokyo?

Beware Kagome, beware! Kukukuku!
And we'll get your little dog too!

Still, aside from Sess in Hell, we have never really seen Tenseiga save large numbers of people at once in the same way that we have seen Tetsusaiga slay large numbers of demons. I do wonder, though, should Sesshoumaru remain within the twists and turns of the story and someday coax a terrified Totosai into making sword with his own fang, would Sesshoumaru want this sword to primarily have attack powers, or to primarily have Tenseiga's healing powers?  (Quote)

vanilla kidNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 11:20 am

huh????????????????
he threw away the tensaiga? would some please explain what the heck is going on with sess. i'm feeling exceptionally dim at the moment.
and why isnt this arc ending?  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

Dr. Sesslove: The Kagome dying scenario is interesting. Don't know as it will happen, but it would be an interesting twist. Completely agree with you about Miroku. RT has opened the door for Miroku to be overcome by the poison before the end, but now Inuyasha can save him. Also, my money is on Sesshoumaru remaining in the story, and recieving a sword of his own from Totosai. Everything has been set up for this to happen. It may not be for a little while, but I see an arc about this in the near future.  (Quote)

Shouki

April 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

Why are people so sure that Tensaiga can save Miroku? Am I just missing something? B/c I vividly remember Sessho trying to save Kagura with Tensaiga, but commenting that he couldn't due to Naraku's shouki. Apparently Naraku's shouki interferes with Tensaiga's restorative abilities.
If Miroku dies b/c Naraku's shouki reaches his heart, then I don't think Tensaiga would work on him, just as it didn't work for Kagura.  (Quote)

npNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 3:39 pm

Thank you Shouki. Kagura died in pratically the same manner. She had the shouki wounds injected in her heart and kill her. The same is true for Miroku, who if he keeps needlessy opening up his wind tunnel, will eventually succumb to the shouki and die in the same manner that Kagura happened to die in when the shouki overcame her heart. His body is likely to dissolve just like Kagura's did, which is pretty brutal if you think about it.

I'm sure there will be limitations as to how many lives Tensaiga can save when Inuyasha obtains its powers, at least I hope anyway. I'm sure he won't be able to save all those lives unless Tensaiga bids him to. Tensaiga seems to have a will on its own and won't just revive lives just to revive them.  (Quote)

EliseNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 4:11 pm

I, once again, could be totally wrong. But I mean, I didn't think it was ever clarified why Sesshomaru couldn't save Kagura. Was it for sure because of the poison? I kind of thought in my mind, that Kagura was a woman born of Naraku…different from other living things…and in some way if the one who made her destoryed her…she could not be resurrected. But once again, I make things up in my head.

I like the idea of Inuyasha using Tenseiga for Kagome, it would seem kind of…complete in a sense. But you know, my wants are totally irrelevent in the end.  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

David: We don't have *time* to keep Sesshoumaru in the story if she doesn't want this thing to go on for the next million years. Writing him out will make the plot more linear, and allow her to focus on completing the development of the Inu-tachi and most importantly, defeating Naraku. There are too many unresolved conflicts about to unecessarily draw out Sesshoumaru's character. RT really should not be juggling excess characters when everything is getting to the end like it is now. Her writing will suffer. In fact, I think it already has. For sake of the story itself and from a writer's standpoint, Sesshoumaru should be written out for the time being at least. I don't think 'everything is pointing to him staying around with a new sword.' No, everything is pointing to the involvement of other characters in the defeat of Naraku. This arc just proves that he's far from ready for a new sword. Toutousai will not forge Sess a blade until he's earned it, and judging from his actions, he's extremely far from that. "You're trying to kill your brother, but since you failed- I'll reward you with a new sword."

NP: I totally disagree about tenseiga bidding him to. The reason it seems that way is that Sesshoumaru seemed to only use the sword when that happened- but that's because of his character. He's not going to randomly revive people. However, it did NOT pulse when he revived Rin. I believe it did in the anime though, could be wrong. Just like IY doesn't have to be 'called on' to use tessaiga's attacks, and can do them as many times and whenever he wants- tenseiga can be used whenever and however the wielder wants.

I really don't believe IY will acquire this ability. The amount of power he would have in addition to the current powers in tessaiga+meidou would be insanely ridiculous. I know shounen heroes end up extremely powerful, but if IY also gains the ability to *restore life* that will be going far beyond that and into the realm of 'RT, what you be smoking? Is IY like… god now?'

But healing powers aside, I sincerely hope tessaiga becomes obselete at the end of the series.  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 4:26 pm

Elise: Tenseiga has to have a body to restore life. Kagura's body was too far destroyed for tenseiga to revive her. It was clarified. He reached for tenseiga and thought 'Tenseiga can't save her.'

Kagura being made from Naraku doesn't make her any different in that regard. She has her own heart, she has her own soul. Except for her rapid regeneration (which some youkai have), she's no different from any other youkai.

I agree with the above commenters that if Miroku dies, it will be in a similar manner and thus tenseiga could not revive him.  (Quote)

Dr. Sesslove

April 16, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

I haven't seen the manga verson of the event, but the anime follows the order of Sesshoumaru first finding Rin's body, then remembering her smile, next pulling Tenseiga with intent to use, and afterwards Tenseiga pulses and allows Sesshoumaru to finally see and slay the undead wardens for his first time. He lies to himself, or at least is following torturously convoluted logic, when he huffs off claiming the sword itself compelled him to save her. It instead clearly responded to him, from his own first intention to use a healing sword on her thanks to a smile.

Ironically enough, he called that momentous Rin Resurrection scene a sword "test" as well, though it could be argued he was really the one who was tested by Tenseiga when as Toutousai notes it finally chose to accept him as its master, all in an episode loftily titled the "True Owner of the Great Sword" no less! Too many possible double meanings.

Which I guess would tell us that we should be wary of Sesshoumaru and his "tests." I hope we get at least some better clues in this next chapter.  (Quote)

Kononaraku

April 16, 2007 @ 5:36 pm

Is anybody else confused by the fact that Inuyasha seems to be cutting through his own youketsu, an action that should kill him?  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 5:48 pm

Dr. Sesslove: I double checked the scene in the manga, and it's pretty much the same. The one big difference is that Sess does not blame tenseiga for making him do it, although he does say 'let's test tenseiga's power.' So that especially further enforces that tenseiga responds to the will of the wielder, not vice versa. The surge of power isn't a command, it's just what happens when the youkai pop up. I would think it's the equivalent to tessaiga transforming.

Either way, in both versions the Tenseiga responds to Sess's intent, not vice versa. But as far as the title of the episode (the manga chapter where Sess gets kaze no kizued is called 'The True Master'), I wouldn't read too much into it, as I actually would argue that RT has completely altered her original plot line regarding the swords. I think someone brought this up before, but it really feels like RT made up this recent tenseiga is part of tessaiga plot line on the spot as a way to conclude characters. It even seems to go against the earlier assertion that dragon scaled tessaiga was the one thing IY needed to master.

What I think is interesting is the conclusion of the Rin storyline. Sess after reviving Rin smirks and says 'Heh, tenseiga. It seems like this sword will have its uses. InuYasha, that you were not able to kill I, Sesshoumaru, is something you will come to regret.' In retrospect, while I was shocked to see Sess attempt to kill IY when this arc began, I do think there is plenty of foreshadowing for it.

Regarding the Rin incident in comparison to this 'test.' I am not saying that he's not testing his father's intent here. All I'm saying that is in the process, he is completely willing and okay with the idea of killing InuYasha. And he proves that by meidou-ing him in this chapter, and throwing tenseiga away- believing he has defeated IY. That's why 'test' or not, this is not at all okay.  (Quote)

npNo Gravatar

April 16, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

Kel/Haro:

The reason why I said that Tensaiga somewhat bids Sess is because I remember when Shippo had begged him to revive a demon whose head was cut off by Hakudoshi. When Tensaiga bidded him to do it, (I only saw the anime episode so correct me if it's a little different in the manga) he questioned Tensaiga for a moment and went on to revive the headless demon.

Yes I do know Sess doesn't randomly go around reviving the dead, but that was a time when I believed Tensaiga bidded him to revive a dead being. In a way Tensaiga expressed its will and he followed through with it.

I also agree that he revived Rin of his own free will and not because of some other cause. I wasn't suggesting otherwise and I probably should've gave an example of what I was trying to get across in my earlier post.

I was just throwing another possible outcome of how Tensaiga, which will eventually become one with Tessaiga, might treat Inuyasha as its new owner. We all know Inuyasha is too compassionate of a person to own a Tensaiga that revives people. I'm hoping there'll be some stipulations, like maybe Tensaiga only reviving those he truly cares about and not some random dead villager; or the sword bidding him to revive people when it's truly necessary. Just some speculation.

I don't like the idea of Inuyasha gaining Tensaiga's powers and I do agree with anyone who said that RT just randomly came up with this idea. I would dare say she came up with this idea probably when she finished the bone demon arc and introduced the eyeless kid. This is why I'm not a fan of what is going on at the moment. It just seems to contradict how the two swords were established when she began the series.  (Quote)

KF

April 16, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

Wow, is Inuyasha really going to get the Meidou?
I like how Tessaiga gets a bunch of random power-ups which briefly work, then become "useless."

Kaze no Kizu Everything so far.

Yay removable hearts! What happened to that Kinka-flame thing? Was that a one-time thing just to end that arc?  (Quote)

KF

April 16, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

Huh, my comment went funny…

I like how Tessaiga gets a bunch of random power-ups which briefly work, then become "useless."

Kaze no Kizu loses to "Stronger" barrier
"Stronger" barrier loses to Red Tessaiga
Red Tessaiga/Bakuryuuha loses to "Even stronger" barrier
"Even stronger" barrier loses to Kongousouha
Kongousouha loses to Meioujuu
Meioujuu loses to Youketsu-cutting Tessaiga

And Naraku's semi-"Immortal" loophole beats everything so far.

Yay removable hearts! What happened to that Kinka-flame thing? Was that a one-time thing just to end that arc?  (Quote)

Haro/KelNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 12:17 am

NP: I recall that scene, which is why I said that yes tenseiga has prompted him (in that situation) but mostly it works of his own free will and made sure to point out that Rin was totally that. I am not saying that the sword does never prompt him. I even mentioned it has done that in my initial reply.

What I am saying is that there would be no limitation on tenseiga's use, because tenseiga has prompted Sess once, but he's used it far more often of his own free will.

It is not going to deem Jaken & Rin 'worthy' of resurrection and then not work on a random villager and what right would the sword (lol) have to tell him which revivals are 'necessary.' It's a metal stick. It can't understand matters of the heart. That doesn't make sense, because we can't say at all that IY doesn't truly care about a random dead villager or that they aren't necessary. The idea that only those IY cares about should be revived would be extremely selfish of the sword. If IY wanted to revive someone, as long as it doesn't go against the few things we've learned tenseiga can't do, tenseiga's not going to tell him no. There won't be some limit as to how many lives he can revive in a day, just as there's no limit as to how many kaze no kizu he can throw. Remember also that resurrection is tenseiga's base 'attack.' It is not even an acquired one, but one that came with the sword. As such, there wouldn't even be much of any physical exertion like the meidou or a bakuryuuha or something would cause. So yes, IY having the ability to resurrect would be a disaster waiting to happen.

I personally just do not believe he will gain the ability at all though, as I said. I really don't think it's going to happen. In fact, I find it highly plausible that it will be the one ability Sess is left with.  (Quote)

npNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 2:41 am

Lol a metal stick that's sorta funny, the way you put it. XD

Now onto the the real stuff. I think it's a little more than a metal stick. When Inuyasha was willing to protect Kagome, Tessaiga was finally able to transform. It didn't transform before that and he was waving it around like a piece of scrap metal. And it was stated that the sword was able to transform because he had someone he was willing to protect. Although the masters initiate what happens with the sword in battle, I don't believe that the sword is simply just a metal stick. It has some sort of will of its own. I can even point out the time when the sword rejected Sess as the master very early on as a clear example that the sword has some will.

Onto Tensaiga. When Sess went after Mory…after Kagura's death, didn't Tensaiga gain the Meidou attack soon afterwards because he gained some sort of compassion? If I'm not mistaken, Totosai said it wouldn't have been able to gain that attack if he didn't feel some sort of compassion for Kagura. Totosai probably wouldn't have been able to reforge it if that development didn't take place. Again, I'm a little sketchy because I haven't read those chapters in a while so you can correct me if I'm wrong. The sword has some will and calling it a metal stick is a real understatement. I'm again not denying that the masters are the real initiators.

About what you said about Inuyasha truly caring about a random dead villager, seriously he might pity the person, but care about them, I think not. He doesn't even know the villager to truly care about them. And that pity can be a real danger if he is given the Tensaiga's ability of resurrection, I agree with you there. However, isn't it also wrong to give a single mortal all of that power. The power to just bring lots of people back to life is bigger than throwing around Kaze no Kizus all the time. At least Inuyasha is responsible when it comes to throwing a Kaze no Kizu. However, the power to revive people is one that he will surely be irresponsible in using. The way I see it, it's better to be selfish than irresponsible, which is exactly why I would rather Tensaiga be selective in who it brings back to life when Inuyasha gains its powers. I know my hopes won't come true but oh well, I guess.  (Quote)

Kaze, the Wind

April 17, 2007 @ 2:59 am

I think it's impossible to save Miroku by Tenseiga. First of all, the shouki in Miroku's body will make his body disappear, like Kagura.(If Miroku dies…) To save someone with Tenseiga, first there must be his or her soon-died&remained body, I think. :)   (Quote)

Nerzul :)No Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 7:50 am

Is everyone missing some points? or am I the only asian here? I would say Miroku can be healed with tenseiga.. Because Tenseiga's power is not healing.. It just has the ability to cut soul-bearer..(lil death gods alike) like high clerics(Kikyou did save some villagers by purifying soul-bearer) can do.. By cutting those soul-bearers, the person who would have died, will come back to alive.. In Kagura's case, I think it's because she didn't has any soul with her to begin with… What I mean is her own soul.. It's true Naraku is just a lump of youkai.. He created Kagura by releasing his absorbed-youkais and forming a new body.. So Kagura has no soul to begin with.. Or may be that Kagura's body(lump of youkai previously) was already dead after he has absorbed them.. SO I think in this way, Miroku can be resurrected with Tenseiga… Anyway, I would want RT to add excess characters to make story interesting.. Though that will make the script pretty longer.. sigh.. :| I dun want sesshy to lost his sword… Although it is true that Naraku would come back from Meidou as long as he has Shikon :{ Or it would be great if sesshy gains new sword from his fang.. :P   (Quote)

shadow dragon

April 17, 2007 @ 10:20 am

How utterly insensitive for Naraku to thrust his stupid tentacle into Byakuya's eye! What a jerk!  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 10:26 am

NP: I agree, the swords do have a will of their own. Remember, the tesseiga was made of the fathers fang, and tenseiga was made of a splinter of tesseiga. The will of the sword is the fathers, and the developments inregard to each as followed the plan of the father. Early on in the manga their was even talk of the swords choosing their bearer.

I am assuming that the healing power of tenseiga will be transfered to Inuyasha for one reason. If he absorbs the sword in the same way as he a he absorbed previou powers, he will absorb all power contained within tenseiga. Tesseiga will not pick and choose powers, taking one, discarding the other. On the other hand the spoiler seems to indicate that he could be absorbing tenseiga in a more round about way. Possibly he absorbs the meidu itself, with the tenseiga simply laying discarded in hell. If that is the case, or something similar happens, then I could see the healing power remaining in tenseiga. It all depends on how things play out.

In regard to Inuyasha going on a resurrection rampage; hopefully he will not even realize he absorbed the power (assuming he does) until it is truly necessary for him to use it. I hope the healing power is not even mentioned during this arc. If it is absorbed, maybe we'll see sword pulsate, and Inuyasha can see the pallbearers and ressurrect someone who truly needs. And hopefully this won't happen for another ten chapters or something.  (Quote)

Dr. Sesslove

April 17, 2007 @ 12:54 pm

I must confess I'm not a fan of the idea of Inuyasha gaining Tenseiga's healing power to perhaps eventually use on Miroku. It just seems too conveniently pat without any deeper underlying meaning, for Miroku's personal story is tangential to Inuyasha's story. Inuyasha's personal story of struggling with his own angst and self-affirmation is more closely tied into Kagome, Kikyou, and Sesshoumaru, or perhaps by broad extension to the Inuyasha Gang collectively, but not really to Miroku in particular. Inuyasha in deep mourning for Miroku until the healing rainbow of Tenseiga makes itself available just sounds awkwardly miscast, as would a happy Miroku Resurrection scene afterwards. The setup is neat and clean, but does not really forward Inuyasha's own personal story, and both swords have always been catalysts for fundamentally changing the personal stories of the wielders. Tenseiga Resurrections so far have always been dramatically momentous events worthy of the capital "R", due in no small part to the pompousness of its current master, but primarily due in large part to the overall storytelling. Inuyasha at last evoking Tensiga's resurrection powers in the story must be no less dramatic, and should personally change the new wielder as it did the old.

Meanwhile, the Meidou/Sword ownership dispute seems irrelevant for Inuyasha, who has never claimed Tenseiga, and who so far should not need the meidou. Given the trap being set within Kohaku's shard, Inuyasha possessing Tenseiga or the meidou does not seem key to deciding the Final Battle. This is about Sess's warped issues in his own story, with the unexpected revelation of secrets hidden by Father, Toutousai, and Myoga being accelerated by Shinseki's shady motives. Rather than glibly writing a newly rendered useless and mischaracterized Sess out of the story, which would be dreadfully bad storytelling, it may be about now setting him unwillingly into the right mindset and placement for whatever his role will be in the upcoming Final Battle, whether it be on his own or in concert with the others, and where his hated brother will obviously play the leading champion. Admittedly, RT has a lot of ugly hoops to jump through to make this work, and Sess is being particularly uncooperative. Meanwhile, Sesshoumaru's stern look upon hearing that Tenseiga could not save Kohaku, the tragic key in the Final Battle, may have hinted that Tenseiga healing initially had some planned role. Even if a Kohaku Resurrection has been specifically dashed, we at least know that Tenseiga's role has been on Sess's mind, and could still be in play in a different gambit.

If this were Grand Wagnerian Opera, the Last Minutes of Miroku's Countdown-to-Doom in the midst of the Final Battle would help to spur the Real Hero to make the all-saving Great Sacrifice, from which he could afterwards be Resurrected. If Inuyasha has Tenseiga's healing powers, that just makes Kagome a truly tempting candidate for the Hero's Immolation. How is she still tied to Kikyou's light in Kohaku's shard anyway? Kagome has already been seemingly melted by Sesshoumaru's acid, de-souled by Urasue, zombified by Tsubaki, nearly raped by Mukotsu, and poisoned to near death by Renkotsu, so Rumiko may have no problem outright immolating her before Naraku in her green school uniform. Would Inuyasha ever let that most-feared scenario even happen, especially given his repeated failures to prevent the many thematic tragic deaths of Kikyou? He may resurrect Kagome, but in a sense, he once again still was not able to protect her. Ouch.

On the other hand, if Inuyasha does not get Tenseiga's healing powers, he could instead be the likely candidate to make the Great Sacrifice himself against Naraku for everyone, allowing a distraught-yet-determined Kagome time to pull off the Jewel's reversal through Kikyou's light in Kohaku, and so Save the Day Once and for All. Having at last lovingly made the Great Sacrifice for Kagome as he never could quite do for Kikyou, for which even Sess callously chided him on a few occassions, Our Hero could be resurrected by…*gasp*…a reaffirmed and post-depression Sess, who would demonstratively cross the last threshold in long resolving his issues with his brother, but who would yet still ambiguously remark that He and not some Plot Cliche will be the only one to defeat Inuyasha! With everyone having seen the true depths he was willing to go in order to save his friends and Kagome, Inuyasha can finally make his ultimate wish upon the Jewel with everyone important to his story present as witnesses. Fin.

Ack, okay, maybe it is best this is NOT Grand Wagnerian Opera, as it would be a long road from here to that scenario.

Of course, they could tell Miroku to just stand up front with his cursed hand out and suck in Naraku and the Jewel, while Inuyasha stands behind his back with Tenseiga's healing power and at the right time just swings. Why make things complicated?  (Quote)

Starshine

April 17, 2007 @ 3:12 pm

Dr. Sesslove: beautiful, powerfull, breath-stealing scenario (InuyashaGrandSacrifice, not MirokuSaving, mind you). Given any thought to manga-writing as a profession? Well, you should.
That kind of ending is what I have been hoping for ages… But chapter after chapter, the story seems to drift futher away from it… Not everything is lost, though. I still say Sess will play a meaningful role in the showdon. Heck, I´ll stop reading the manga if he is written out.  (Quote)

Feyd

April 17, 2007 @ 3:20 pm

Finally an end to the brothers bickering! yes! We all know now that the key is in the ignition, all the gears are oiled, and it's time to start this beatings engine up and rock narakus face…
This isn't about sesshomaru or inuyasha's fight with themsleves, it is about the overall proggression in the fight against naraku (aka satan)or the fight against evil. What is happening here is the progression of a warrior of biblical power maturing to the point where he can annihilate the greatest evil the world has ever seen (in the context of this story anyhow).
However much all you guys groan about Inuyasha come to grips! Inuyasha is the general and his group are his soldiers. It makes sense that Inuyasha would be the brother who attains some rank anyways…. sesshomaru, while pimp, is an antisocial lunatic. It has been a long time coming but Inuyasha is finally ascending to the spot of top dog, don't mind the pun haha. My main concern is if Inuyasha is really up to the task of massacring naraku and his horde without the ice blood that sesshomaru has… Hoping to see the next chapter soon! Keep up the great work!

P.S: I know some of you may not know who she is, but Kaze, the german artist who did colored art for starks has a website on deviantart.com and is really worth looking into! Great job Kaze! Inuyasha for presisdent!  (Quote)

Haro/KelNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 3:25 pm

Dr. Sesslove: Here's my prime issue with a lot of your argument. It relies on the idea that IY's character growth is closely tied to Sesshoumaru. It isn't. IY is important to Sess's character. Sess is not important to IY's. You even allude to this several times in your comment.

The problem with Sesshoumaru staying around is that he is developing no one but himself. This is one of the prime reasons it would be sloppy and 'excess' for RT to tie Sess into the final battle in such a grandiose manner. I know it sounds bad (probably more so since it's pretty common knowledge they're my favorite characters), but in the end everything is probably going to be tied to Kagome and InuYasha. If a character isn't extremely important or detrimental to them, they're not going to be that important in the end. That pretty much knocks out everyone but the Inu-tachi and Naraku, and Kikyou who already died.

Is this bad storytelling? No. Side-characters get written out near the end. I highly doubt the final battle scene in Harry Potter's seventh book is going to involve a billion people. Probably it will be the trio and Voldemort of Harry alone vs him. Why is this? Because the huge concluding arc should be about who the story is truly about. Sess reviving IY does nothing but develop Sess. Sess being involved period only develops him- no one else.

NP: He might not love random villager of the day, but he'd certainly feel compassion for them and that is enough. Certainly he'd feel more than Sess did when he sent those souls onward in hell. Tenseiga has the ability to save one hundred lives, and of course that's not going to be one hundred people close to you. As for IY going on a resurrection rampage. I agree he wouldn't find out about the ability until someone close to him died. However, after he found out? Two things would happen. He'd angst his head off that he had this ability since this battle and wasn't able to use it, and then from then on out he *would.*

By calling the sword a 'metal stick,' I meant it can only do what it's programmed to do. Sess learns compassion, have an attack! Etc. All of this seems programmed by Papa. The swords don't have a will of their own, the will is Papa's. They're an instrument of his will.

Nerzul: I'm not Asian, but Kagura absolutely did have a soul.It's impossible for someone to be a living functioning being- human, animal, or youkai and not have a soul.

The soul is made up of two parts, a kon and a haku. The haku is what dictates the physical. With just a haku, you'd be a living doll- capable of movement and nothing else. No thought, no specific functions, etc. Think Kikyou before she gets the bit of Kagome's soul. The kon is what gives you 'life' in a sense. It's who you are. Without both of these parts, Kagura could not live- no matter how she was created.

Takahashi actually utilizes the concept of kon and haku when Mouryoumaru is created, so in her universe this concept does exist.  (Quote)

Beans and Cornbread

April 17, 2007 @ 6:45 pm

This series is going to end like a fanfiction (badly).  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

Beans and Cornbread: You think so? RT has never let me down with an ending before (yes I liked the ending of Ranma, it was appropriate for the series), so I guess I don't foresee that happening now. It could, if she continues to write sloppy as she's been doing off and on lately. However, I think she'll probably tighten it back up once she starts writing the conclusion. She'll have no choice but to plan that all out before writing it, imho.  (Quote)

Anonymous

April 17, 2007 @ 10:08 pm

The only way(well at least that i can think of) of changing Sesshoumaru's character in a few seconds is Naraku killing him and then Inuyasha ressurecting him. He would probably wonder why IY feels any compassion towards, pondering over it as he makes his exit. We'll probably see him in the epilouge changed, not completely, just enough to seem realistic.

The only problem is that IY would become "Jesus Christ Superstar!" and go around bringing everyone back to life, and that would not be good.  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

Anonymous: I don't think RT could fully resolve Sess's character if she had eight years. She's introduced too many issues, too late in the game. I think that his role will end with the promise, subtle or not, that he is going to grow and develop- that IY is the true owner of tessaiga, and that now he can leave him the heck alone.

Yeah exactly at Jesus IY. It just makes me cringe so bad to imagine him with that ability. He's my favorite male character in anime/manga, and it just saddens me to see him lose weakness by weakness. It seems like the more RT concentrates on the uber sword upgrades, the less of a unique and one-of-a-kind shounen hero IY becomes, and the closer he slips to cliche. He's totally savable. She just has to stop writing him as a cardboard extension of tessaiga (and she has in various chapters, but not overall).  (Quote)

DavidNo Gravatar

April 17, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

Let's all hope that when this arc concludes, we can get at least a chapter focusing on Inuyasha and Kagaome. There relationship is the heart of this story and RT has gotten away from that recently. I guess the last time she fully explored this theme was when Kkyo died and the chapters with Kao. Hopefully she'll give them a few chapters before the inevitable Innuyasha learns to master the meidu arc. While I've enjoyed all the chapters this year, I hope RT focuses on the "human" element of the story for a little bit.  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 12:07 am

David: …494, the Two Worlds? That was much more romantic than the Kao arc, and was by far one of the most romantic chapters with them to date. I mean they almost kissed, and their were mutual vows in it that were very substantiative. Not that I don't want more focus on them (I do, they're not sword upgrades), but that chapter was a pretty big deal.  (Quote)

ParoxysmsNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 2:38 am

She could always create a manga with just Sesshoumaru. A manga with absolutely no dialogue…. exciting.  (Quote)

lemonlime

April 18, 2007 @ 2:58 am

I personally hope no one dies and suddenly gets resurrected at end. Something about that ending doesn't sit well with me. Also, I think it would be cool if Inuyasha got the Meidou but Sesshoumaru kept the healing powers as not only would it solve the overly compassionate Inuyasha problem, but keep intact RT's original storyline of why they were given their swords.
Going by her past endings, I'm almost certain that RT will end it with the Inu-tachi alone and most of all Inuyasha and Kagome. As long as the ending turns out well enough to make it worth us following this manga for so long, I'm not too worried about the current chapters. So far she's done a wonderful job of wrapping up just about all the side character stories, so let's hope she'll be able to do the same for the main ones.

And I'm wondering how Sesshoumaru and Inuyasha are going to get the hell out of that place regardless of who wins since Byakuya is the one who got them there.  (Quote)

Kaze, the Wind

April 18, 2007 @ 3:44 am

>>Lemonlime
I also have that in mind what you're wondering. How will they escape from there? And what will Naraku do?

I have some hope that all members are reincarnated in Kagome's time. I don't want to see anyone's death, too, but it's up to Rumiko-sang… If someone dies, they would be Miroku&(or)Kohaku, at least I think. There's no other one who seems to die or has any special reason to die. Just in my opinion. Did I missed something?

>>Nerzul
I'm also Asian. You're not alone :)   (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 4:16 am

Lemonlime: I agree completely with everything you said. XD

Kaze the Wind: A reincarnation ending does not sit well with me at all. There's one 'reincarnation plot' in the series, that of Kagome and Kikyou. Over and over RT assures as that these two girls are completely different. They're not a personality that is part of one another, so it's not even a matter of being raised in different environments. It's just that as people, there are no elements of similarity. So, don't you think the idea of the Inu-tachi being reincarnated (IY of course wouldn't be, I imagine in a scenario like this he'd already be living with her in her era), goes against that theme? Unless of course the Inu-tachi are totally different, probably unrecognizable. If that were the case though, what would be the point?

But that aside, that seems way too shoujo an ending for me. This is not Fushigi Yuugi.  (Quote)

npNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 4:35 am

That reincarnation idea is sorta cheesy and it would be a cop-out if RT even decides to end it in that way. I agree with you Haro. It was stressed that even though Kikyo and Kagome share the same soul, they are different people. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how different those two are. So even if Inuyasha were reincarnated, it's technically not Inuyasha.

As you can see, I'm not a fan of all the main characters reincarnating and living in the modern era. I highly doubt RT is going to take that route, but we'll see.  (Quote)

Irene ShardaNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 4:40 am

RT…If you kill off my Sessho, you have signed your own death warrent!  (Quote)

soSad

April 18, 2007 @ 5:19 am

One more point, in third movie (if im wrong sorry) is IY and Sess in the same battle… Its like two brothers. I dont know if this was in manga too, but it seems that, Sess is all the time like big brother to IY, maybe Sess is not the best one, but he is trying to be. Or maybe this could be the final battle of two brothers, which has been told.
I dont think that Sess character hasnt change. If I were Sess, I would have big chaos in my head now (and Sess is not used to have chaos in his head – maybe this is the reason of disappearing in chapter before) and the only way how to resolve this problem is to fight, because of my power and youkai heading.
The other solution is to help Sess to understand his feelings, ok I know that he seems to be very cold, but there has to be something… I think this side of Sess knows only Rin.
This all looks like Sess will loose everything of tenseiga's powers, but the healing power can, in my opinion, own only Sess, because Inu-tachi watned to teach Sess feelings like he has for IYs mother. Sess is all the time I PROTECT NOTHING so meidou is useless for him, but healing powers help him to qrow his soul (this could be speech of Inu-tachi :-D ).
And about dying and healing persons at the end, I dont like that… But I think that RT will save some people of this story. But just like proof, that Sess has grown…
Hehe, isnt it ridiculous?  (Quote)

Kaze, the Wind

April 18, 2007 @ 5:38 am

Hm my hope has those problems, well^^; I almost forgot it. You're right. That would be even sadder to Kagome.(or interesting, it'd be up to situations) Same soul but not same peole…to say this, Tsubasa(TRC) comes to my mind^^Thanks for pointing out the drawbacks of my theory. :)

>>Irene Sharda
I think you don't have to do that. She'll be already killed by Japanese fans of Sesshy^ㅠ^

Well, Sesshy always lies, doesn't he?(except some) 'I feel nothing', 'I have nothing to protect', etc…kuku(joke)  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 5:42 am

No the third movie is not in the manga. In fact at many points, it heavily contradicts the manga. Sess has never said 'I protect nothing' in the manga, or implied it. Sess and IY have actually never teamed up in battle in that manner either. Sess does not behave as an older brother to IY, not even close. He is trying to be? What person who is trying to be an older brother repeatedly tries to kill him as well as making statements like 'well fight until we die.' Sess has never once reached out to IY. He has always pushed him away. And on the flip side of the coin, IY doesn't treat him like a brother either due to obvious reasons.  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 7:20 am

Oh, great…now I've got "Jesuyasha Superstar!" running through my head. Thanks guys!

She could always create a manga with just Sesshoumaru. A manga with absolutely no dialogue…. exciting.

Bwahahaha! Isn't it though? XD  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 7:33 am

Over and over RT assures as that these two girls are completely different. They’re not a personality that is part of one another, so it’s not even a matter of being raised in different environments. It’s just that as people, there are no elements of similarity.

I know this is true. However, I suppose I'm the only one who's seen the similarities in those two since the beginning of Kikyou's resurrection…though that's probably because I'm one of the few fangirls who loves both Kikyou and Kagome.

I even remember how they used to look the same in the manga, until Takahashi started making the characters look a little more like their anime counterparts (as with Inuyasha and his formerly pinkish clothes).  (Quote)

AnonNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 10:34 am

I personally think it would be unwise to write out Sesshomaru, being a fan favorite is irrelevant, but he has had his own side storyline for a while. For many this has been a key part of the manga, perhaps even the most interesting part. Was seeing him risking his life to save Rin from hell all for naught? How about saving Kohaku (someone who previously tried to kill rin)? His obvious caring for the now deceased Kagura? I know the last few chapters look bad, but still…For him to simply be defeated and be left with nothing and then just walk out of the story would be unsatisfying to say the least.  (Quote)

ParoxysmsNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 11:40 am

I think Sess has indirectly influenced IY’s character. Inuyasha learned of tessaiga and the kaze no kizu from Sesshoumaru. Every battle Inuyasha has with Sesshoumaru usually teaches him a little more about himself and his abilities. Not to mention Sess teaches IY about the dangers of his transformations through battle. I think you have to look at the less obvious aspects of their relationship. It is evident that the two are not exactly the best of friends, but Sess has never actually tried to kill IY he just toys with him. Sure he unleashed the meidou at him, but he knew that would be the only way of proving IY was worthy of the sword. Sess thinks differently than the other characters, he is opaque with his actions. I actually think this was a normal technique of collecting information considering Sesshoumaru’s character. Sesshoumaru has nothing to gain from this fight except knowledge, so whatever outcome may occur will involve Inuyasha.

And I don’t think Sess will be removed from the series. Too much has happened in his story. And didn’t Totosai talk of Sesshoumaru surpassing his father? I’m sure Rumiko wont end the manga without at least touching on that a bit.  (Quote)

annoymous

April 18, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

um i hate to sound impatient but when is the next chapter coming?  (Quote)

Nana

April 18, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

First time poster, but a long time reader (you're a Godsend, Starks!). Please to be not eating me. :P

Gaaaah! Sometimes, I wish the series would hurry up and end so that the anime could start up again. I really, really liked the animated version of InuYasha.

But I like the manga too, honest!

I don't really have anything to say about Sess other than I'm so over him and his 3-year-old hissy fit for a sword that massively kills. I mean, RT might just pull something outta her bum to convince us that Sess didn't just go backwards in character development, but I doubt I'll still care.

I think what we need is some good 'ol Sess flashback chapters showing WHY he is the way he is and WHY he won't ditch the massive chip on his shoulder. It's a lot better than being in the dark and wondering what the heck is going on with him half of the time. :\  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

But Sess has never actually tried to kill Inuyasha, just toyed with him.

I think this is going way too far. Before now, Sess has definitely tried to kill InuYasha three times. Volume one, volume seven, and volume fourteen. Are you feeling that because he was beaten he was not trying to kill him? No, he just lost. Was he not trying to kill InuYasha when he attempted to murder (and basically succeeded if it weren't for tessaiga) Kagome twice? Was he not trying to kill him when he gutted him through the chest with poisonous claws. Here he absorbed IY with a meidou. He's not okay with killing him here? If his 'death' is part of the test, which just occurred- he most definitely is. I don't think it can be explained away that Sess basically killed IY here. I'm really sorry, but I don't care how much you love Sess- he's absolutely tried to kill IY.

Sess has indirectly caused IY to grow, by the peril of the fights causing him to develop. But any bad guy IY was fighing could have done the same thing. But not since his second appearance has it been any kind of character growth. His third appearance IY got kaze no kizu, which was a sword upgrade. But the character growth that caused it was a couple volumes before when IY first unknowingly did it protecting Miroku. Once again, this could have happened with any bad guy. Sess did not help IY grow during his transformations. He came and stopped it. As a person, IY gained no development from Sess during that arc. None at all. Sess has indirectly caused some battle growth, but nothing that couldn't easily be attributed to anyone else. Minor characters like Housenki and Shiori have much more directly caused growth during the 'upgrade arcs' they were featured.

As for his importance in the storyline. Kouga had MUCH more substantiative ties to Narkau (his whole tribe being killed) than Sess does, and truth be told he also had a more positive relationship with IY and the rest of the group. However, that did not stop her from writing him out. I think people are kind of grasping for straws here. Yes, Sess has been very prevalent in the manga lately. He's not usually. The manga generally goes three to four volumes without an appearance from him, sometimes more. Unfortunately it's really given people the illusion (that and his popularity, which the anime really capitalized on in images especially) that Sess is more vital than he is, and more important than other side characters who she had no problem writing out. Why is he more prevalent lately? Because just like Kouga and Kikyou before, who got a ton of screentime then- she's wrapping up his story.  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

Oh I meant to ask:

KagomeKagome: Where did you see written that the color switch/Kagome and Kikyou's appearances were influenced by the anime? The reason I ask is that IY's coat becomes consistently red (minus one image I believe) around volume four, and Kagome and Kikyou start progressively looking less alike around volume eight onwards. Both of these situations being long before the anime was even in production (four came out in 1997, eight in 1998). The manga was safely into about volume sixteen before the anime started production even. IY also loses the shadow on his nose long before anime production.  (Quote)

Nana

April 18, 2007 @ 3:24 pm

Because just like Kouga and Kikyou before, who got a ton of screentime then- she’s wrapping up his story.

That makes a ton of sense, actually. I had been wondering why Sess had been getting so much page time…

I guess it's just RT's way of saying that his story will be finished up too, what with all of this sword business and all.

Though it does take time away from the story finishing, I am happy that RT's doing this. It's better than her just ending the story and let us wonder "What happened to Kouga?" or "What happened to Fluffy?".  (Quote)

KagomeKagomeNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 4:27 pm

Where did you see written that the color switch/Kagome and Kikyou’s appearances were influenced by the anime?

Honestly, Kel, I can't remember. I remember a small blurb from somewhere…like the artbook or some character guide thing, but really, it's just been an observation.

…that blurb I'm talking about — I can't recall the whole paragraph, but it had something to do with the character designer making Kikyou look different for the anime to keep people from confusing her with Kagome because they looked so much alike in the manga. Then I read something else about how Rumiko started changing a few things (like the pink-turned-red clothes and Kikyou's appearance) to reflect the anime because she liked them…but I can't remember where that's from. I read it so long ago that it could have been from a magazine, website, or just some random comment from one of the fandom boards.  (Quote)

HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

KagomeKagome: I do remember the blurb about them making them look different, but feel RT had already started doing that herself. Still, starting from the beginning when they did look alike. I can see where they would make that comment. However, the red clothes thing I don't recall anything about.

The changes you mention definitely occurred, it just seems to me like it wasn't in accordance with the anime. They seemed to happen long before. I mean the anime started around volume nineteen, and of course IY was long red by then. The character designs at that point had pretty much fully evolved. XD

On a side note, even though RT started changing his clothes/the shadow on his nose way before the anime started- it's still entirely possible that she was influenced by an animated version of her works. Back in early '97 shounen sunday did a promo commercial for the manga, around the beginning of volume three. IY's early series character design (and Sesshou's too), looks utterly ridiculous in animated form. I think that probably she was influenced by this, as it falls around the time the character designs started really shifting. IY lost the pink by volume four and the nose shadow and just overall look changed for the most part, so it would make sense:

http://www.wot-club.org.uk/Inuyasha/special/commercial.html  (Quote)

WindDemon

April 18, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

As far as Kagura goes, I'm really sure it was that her body was too destroyed to be saved. In volume 16, Sesshoumaru brought back Goshinki in order to make toukijin and Goshinki was an incarnation of Naraku as well.  (Quote)

Nerzul :)No Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

Haro/Kel : Well well, I did say Kagura has a soul but not a soul of her origin.. Her soul was gained from lump of youkai which means she do not have her own soul… If I use an example, which means Kagome and all others have their own soul given from birth however Kikyou whose soul was reincarnated steal her former soul and to maintain her body properly with small amount of origin, she had to use souls of deceased women.. :) So, what I meant was Kagura's soul was given from Naraku in which he absorbed large amount of youkai… See ya around…

Kaze, The Wind: hii, nice to meet ya..  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

Winddemon: Actually you did say she had no soul in your reply, and you just said it again here. I explained why that's not possible. However, all that isn't relevant to her resurrection though. She's a living being with a heart and soul, unlike Kikyou who was basically a false shell with a soul forced into it, and the fact that she was not born conventionally would not influence tenseiga. We have seen Naraku birth a detachment (btw, by this logic Naraku being a 'lump of youkai' shouldn't have a soul, but he obviously does once he got rid of Onigumo's heart. In fact, destroying it is the only way he'll die). He does not somehow place a soul into it. As a living being, it's born with its own. The way of birth is not relevant. It is not as if her soul was manufactured, it will reincarnate and had past incarnations as well. It's just a normal soul. As was pointed out above, Sess tenseiga-ed Goshinki. Kagura would have worked as well, were it not for the condition.  (Quote)

Kel/HaroNo Gravatar

April 18, 2007 @ 11:13 pm

Winddemon= Nerzul. Sorry!  (Quote)

Nerzul :)No Gravatar

April 21, 2007 @ 7:40 am

HARO: Hmm.. May be or may be not.. Because when Sesshoumaru tenseiga-ed Goshinki, I think I dun remember the part it actually talked.. It just has has some life-force back in-it… Anyway, may be ya are right.. I dun really mind though cuz I am happy to hear new-things.. :P Anyway, see ya around..  (Quote)

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