Comments on: Inuyasha Chapter 502 Full Spoiler

By: Nerzul :)

Nerzul :) — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:40:09 +0000

HARO: Hmm.. May be or may be not.. Because when Sesshoumaru tenseiga-ed Goshinki, I think I dun remember the part it actually talked.. It just has has some life-force back in-it… Anyway, may be ya are right.. I dun really mind though cuz I am happy to hear new-things.. Anyway, see ya around..

By: Kel/Haro

Kel/Haro — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:13:27 +0000

Winddemon= Nerzul. Sorry!

By: Kel/Haro

Kel/Haro — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:12:53 +0000

Winddemon: Actually you did say she had no soul in your reply, and you just said it again here. I explained why that's not possible. However, all that isn't relevant to her resurrection though. She's a living being with a heart and soul, unlike Kikyou who was basically a false shell with a soul forced into it, and the fact that she was not born conventionally would not influence tenseiga. We have seen Naraku birth a detachment (btw, by this logic Naraku being a 'lump of youkai' shouldn't have a soul, but he obviously does once he got rid of Onigumo's heart. In fact, destroying it is the only way he'll die). He does not somehow place a soul into it. As a living being, it's born with its own. The way of birth is not relevant. It is not as if her soul was manufactured, it will reincarnate and had past incarnations as well. It's just a normal soul. As was pointed out above, Sess tenseiga-ed Goshinki. Kagura would have worked as well, were it not for the condition.

By: Nerzul :)

Nerzul :) — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:26:00 +0000

Haro/Kel : Well well, I did say Kagura has a soul but not a soul of her origin.. Her soul was gained from lump of youkai which means she do not have her own soul… If I use an example, which means Kagome and all others have their own soul given from birth however Kikyou whose soul was reincarnated steal her former soul and to maintain her body properly with small amount of origin, she had to use souls of deceased women.. So, what I meant was Kagura's soul was given from Naraku in which he absorbed large amount of youkai… See ya around…

Kaze, The Wind: hii, nice to meet ya..

By: WindDemon

WindDemon — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:07:55 +0000

As far as Kagura goes, I'm really sure it was that her body was too destroyed to be saved. In volume 16, Sesshoumaru brought back Goshinki in order to make toukijin and Goshinki was an incarnation of Naraku as well.

By: Haro

Haro — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:45:55 +0000

KagomeKagome: I do remember the blurb about them making them look different, but feel RT had already started doing that herself. Still, starting from the beginning when they did look alike. I can see where they would make that comment. However, the red clothes thing I don't recall anything about.

The changes you mention definitely occurred, it just seems to me like it wasn't in accordance with the anime. They seemed to happen long before. I mean the anime started around volume nineteen, and of course IY was long red by then. The character designs at that point had pretty much fully evolved. XD

On a side note, even though RT started changing his clothes/the shadow on his nose way before the anime started- it's still entirely possible that she was influenced by an animated version of her works. Back in early '97 shounen sunday did a promo commercial for the manga, around the beginning of volume three. IY's early series character design (and Sesshou's too), looks utterly ridiculous in animated form. I think that probably she was influenced by this, as it falls around the time the character designs started really shifting. IY lost the pink by volume four and the nose shadow and just overall look changed for the most part, so it would make sense:

http://www.wot-club.org.uk/Inuyasha/special/commercial.html

By: KagomeKagome

KagomeKagome — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:27:02 +0000

Where did you see written that the color switch/Kagome and Kikyou’s appearances were influenced by the anime?

Honestly, Kel, I can't remember. I remember a small blurb from somewhere…like the artbook or some character guide thing, but really, it's just been an observation.

…that blurb I'm talking about — I can't recall the whole paragraph, but it had something to do with the character designer making Kikyou look different for the anime to keep people from confusing her with Kagome because they looked so much alike in the manga. Then I read something else about how Rumiko started changing a few things (like the pink-turned-red clothes and Kikyou's appearance) to reflect the anime because she liked them…but I can't remember where that's from. I read it so long ago that it could have been from a magazine, website, or just some random comment from one of the fandom boards.

By: Nana

Nana — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:24:03 +0000

Because just like Kouga and Kikyou before, who got a ton of screentime then- she’s wrapping up his story.

That makes a ton of sense, actually. I had been wondering why Sess had been getting so much page time…

I guess it's just RT's way of saying that his story will be finished up too, what with all of this sword business and all.

Though it does take time away from the story finishing, I am happy that RT's doing this. It's better than her just ending the story and let us wonder "What happened to Kouga?" or "What happened to Fluffy?".

By: Haro

Haro — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:22:35 +0000

Oh I meant to ask:

KagomeKagome: Where did you see written that the color switch/Kagome and Kikyou's appearances were influenced by the anime? The reason I ask is that IY's coat becomes consistently red (minus one image I believe) around volume four, and Kagome and Kikyou start progressively looking less alike around volume eight onwards. Both of these situations being long before the anime was even in production (four came out in 1997, eight in 1998). The manga was safely into about volume sixteen before the anime started production even. IY also loses the shadow on his nose long before anime production.

By: Haro

Haro — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:56:56 +0000

But Sess has never actually tried to kill Inuyasha, just toyed with him.

I think this is going way too far. Before now, Sess has definitely tried to kill InuYasha three times. Volume one, volume seven, and volume fourteen. Are you feeling that because he was beaten he was not trying to kill him? No, he just lost. Was he not trying to kill InuYasha when he attempted to murder (and basically succeeded if it weren't for tessaiga) Kagome twice? Was he not trying to kill him when he gutted him through the chest with poisonous claws. Here he absorbed IY with a meidou. He's not okay with killing him here? If his 'death' is part of the test, which just occurred- he most definitely is. I don't think it can be explained away that Sess basically killed IY here. I'm really sorry, but I don't care how much you love Sess- he's absolutely tried to kill IY.

Sess has indirectly caused IY to grow, by the peril of the fights causing him to develop. But any bad guy IY was fighing could have done the same thing. But not since his second appearance has it been any kind of character growth. His third appearance IY got kaze no kizu, which was a sword upgrade. But the character growth that caused it was a couple volumes before when IY first unknowingly did it protecting Miroku. Once again, this could have happened with any bad guy. Sess did not help IY grow during his transformations. He came and stopped it. As a person, IY gained no development from Sess during that arc. None at all. Sess has indirectly caused some battle growth, but nothing that couldn't easily be attributed to anyone else. Minor characters like Housenki and Shiori have much more directly caused growth during the 'upgrade arcs' they were featured.

As for his importance in the storyline. Kouga had MUCH more substantiative ties to Narkau (his whole tribe being killed) than Sess does, and truth be told he also had a more positive relationship with IY and the rest of the group. However, that did not stop her from writing him out. I think people are kind of grasping for straws here. Yes, Sess has been very prevalent in the manga lately. He's not usually. The manga generally goes three to four volumes without an appearance from him, sometimes more. Unfortunately it's really given people the illusion (that and his popularity, which the anime really capitalized on in images especially) that Sess is more vital than he is, and more important than other side characters who she had no problem writing out. Why is he more prevalent lately? Because just like Kouga and Kikyou before, who got a ton of screentime then- she's wrapping up his story.