Comments on: Why I still love Ron Paul…

By: gingerbell

gingerbell — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:23:27 +0000

ricalloo…

i'm not even claiming that there is one organization that controls it all… just that it's all controlled. i think it's probably human nature to give away your power and leave the problems for someone else to deal with. i just feel that the nature of society makes it impossible for us all to relate to one another on a human level, because our brains are programmed with whatever religious or cultural ehtnocentrities our parents have been fed throughout the generational cycle… and i don't think that bigotry just manifested itself in one generation or the other. i think it was purposely programmed into us by someone with an agenda of divide and conquer. i also don't feel pleased at all with the nature of the society in which we live. i think it imposes too many limitations on our true potential. i believe we could do well without heirarchy; it's just a matter of trusting in ourselves enough to take back our own power and use it for our own collective benefit. however, it is not something that can happen on an individual level… it needs to happen on a massive scale, or else it will never happen.

we can talk about politics forever, but in the end, this is still a one party state. i often wonder why people get so emotional when discussing politics. why are we so often told not to discuss religion or politics? in truth, i often find these two the only topics worth discussion, but the instinctive defensiveness you get from a lot of people when it comes to these subjects often shuts a conversation down somewhere short of enlightenment. why can't we accept that other people have different thoughts and opinions? why must we continually try to force our will on others?

this is my point: where the world as a collective being is constantly bending the will of individuals, we will never be free. the only way to end is for each and every person in the world to consciously stop it. there doesn't need to be a tyrant if most of a society thinks a certain way and imposes their ideas on others. society itself becomes the tyrant.

quite an interesting political discussion on a manga bulletin board, btw.

By: Roguetiger

Roguetiger — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:35:45 +0000

This amazes me. How such controversy can come from one person stating that they like a particular politician. Why does everyone feel the need to put down someone's views? It's their feelings and you stating things that you dislike about them doesn't mean that they are going to change. I find that this is the reasoning that young people in America don't vote as much anymore. As soon as they state something about their political beliefs, they are shot down. This shows just how much politics divide people nowadays.

By: sn0w

sn0w — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:13:57 +0000

Ricalloo, you haven't watched the documentary I recommended you, have you? I'm sure you don't even intend to.

I'm well aware USSR is no more, that's why I used it as example.
I'm aware of the differences between KKK and the talibans. I wanted to point the similarities. Obviously, trees are blocking the view to the forest.

Islamic radicalism is not the reason for the terrorism. It is the other way around.
Terrorist are born by misery and war. You can't eliminate them by bringing more misery and war.
There will always be bad people who do bad things, but this doesn't give you excuse to do whatever you want.

By: Ricalloo

Ricalloo — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:15:22 +0000

Couple of replies real quick. It won't matter much because nobody here will probably change anybody else's opinions… but I digress.

Gingerbell,

No offense but you conspiracy theory is crazy. I will agree on this though; the media sets the agenda, the politicians react to the agenda, we have little say at all. However I don't believe in some big all powerful organization controlling everything. We can vote and choose which stations we watch or which newspapers we read. It's just our voices are minuscule.

Snow,

Your comparison of the KKK to Islamic Terrorism is outrageous. Yes both are maniacal and heinous. The difference is this:

The KKK is prosecuted and punished within the United States for its crimes. They don't go to other countries to kill people. The problem persists within US borders and is not supported by the US government.

Islamic Terrorists kill people in many countries. They are well supported by many of the rogue governments (aka Iraq/Iran) in as much as they are financially sustained.

One is a domestic problem, the other is an international problem. A little oversight on your behalf. If the KKK flew some planes into some buildings in Moscow killing 3,000 civilians and this was paid for or even supported by the US government I couldn't fault the USSR (which no longer exists by the way) for declaring war.

Back on topic, Ron Paul is a long shot. Maybe he will make some surprising rising when the primaries start next year though.

By: mystyc1

mystyc1 — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:36:08 +0000

Hah, I would rather vote for a real candidate, like Stephen Colbert.

By: sn0w

sn0w — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:17:58 +0000

Starks, can you edit my above post, the tag worked, but not in the way i wanted. delete this one after that. I would really like if you put at least preview button.

By: sn0w

sn0w — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:14:44 +0000

Just few days ago I watched documentary about Ku Klux Klan. It was about baptist priest , leader of the clan, who's been charged for murder ordered 40 years ago.
If we turn the table we can call this illustration of Christian Fundamentalism. It doesn't even mean that most baptist support KKK. It's not in the nature of the Christian religion to inspire hatred, but this have never stopped some people from using religion to stronger their agenda.

And to make the analogy complete:
Do you think that USSR had the right to invade USA in order to eliminate KKK?
No? Oh I see, so you are KKK supporter.

As for the other topics. I've recommended it before I'll do it again – watch documentaries. BBC "The Power Of Nightmares" is still highly recommended. I hope after watching it, you'd never again confuse liberals with neo-conservatives.

About Ron Paul. I also come to like him. I especially enjoyed a snipped in the daily show, where in pre-election debate all (republican) presidential candidates were asked if the president can start a war without the approval of the Congress. Paul was the last to speak and the only one who said "No, absolutely not. The constitution forbids it". I think at that moment all other (republican) candidates lost credibility.

By: reinspop

reinspop — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:15:37 +0000

dahm my > < tags got taken out they where examples

ps sorry again to the majority of you that this comment will undoubtedly anoy but whom its not aimed at

By: reinspop

reinspop — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:13:02 +0000

"Islamic radicalism" im sorry wouldn't it matter to you if a christian blew up a building because america had done something that ended badly for them, this isn't aimed at all of you and im sorry if it cause offence but thats casual raseisum and if you really think that because some nutjobs cliamed to be on a holly quest while blowing up a building justifies going to someone else country and killing a whole lot of people ur stupider than i thought (i'd like 2 point out here that its the same attitude on both sides) it makes me sick im not american so i don't have a oppinion on your electoral candidates but anybody that takes focus away from killing every thing that moves to maintaining peace where you have the right and responcibility to is okay in my books ps im sorry if this gets at you but its true if you lable a religion (even a small section of it ) then ur being raseist and thats just not on

By: gingerbell

gingerbell — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:28:55 +0000

in response to str8_murder's response to sesshoumaruaddict, i have this to say… if sesshomaruaddict sounds like a parrot of the liberal media, you, my friend, parrot foxnews. iraq may not entirely be a war for oil, but the war is imperialist, and is making both the families of george w. bush and osama bin laden rich beyond belief. all war is about profit. if there weren't profit in going to war, i guarantee you it would never be declared. believe me, i completely understand that some people don't want to believe that a leader would send his fellow countrymen to their deaths overseas for something as meaningless as money, but naivete can only go so far. i happen to believe that things like wars and terrorist attacks are planned by the people who run the entire world, and are carried out by slaves like us. anyone can bring up 9-11 to justify the wars in iraq or afghanistan, but once you think about the fact that osama as well as 15 of the 19 hijackers were all saudis, it doesn't make as much sense, does it? truth is, the war in afghanistan had less to do with terrorism, and more to do with the heroin that the cia has been trafficking to american children since the 1950s.
another thing, this administration has been provably responsible for the worst of attacks on our constitution and civil liberties, yet anyone who makes the bush/hitler comparison in the media is subject to hostility. now, of course bush is a puppet, but behind him there is someone diabolical pulling the strings. it's possible that it was even the same with hitler. but if you study hitler's early reign and compare it with the past 7 years, you're sure to find some striking similarities. step by step, into fascism. oh, on a related note, hitler was funded in part by gw's grandfather, prescott… why doesn't this stuff make the news, i wonder???
well i ventured away from the point i was to make… our rights are not being taken away, as you say, because the government is giving handouts to the greedy poor. our loss of rights is directly connected to september 11, 2001, just as nazi germany's loss of rights was directly connected to the burning of the reichstag. to a ruling class of elite (who control both parties– liberal and conservative– all in it together) the ends (global fascism) justify the means (war and terrorism.)
i also tend to disagree with the welfare state, but i don't agree that those unfortunate enough to have to depend on it are "greedy." when i think of greed, i think of people like paris hilton, living in fabulous excess, flaunting their riches and gawdy lifestyle like we should all be amazed and throw more money and attention at them. most people on government assistance are embarrassed by it. you see, the problem with government assistance programs is that it first demands that the recipient remain unemployed, or else only work part time, in order to maintain the level of income the government allots them. while it appears to be helping the person in question, what it is actually doing is making that person dependent on the so-called handout instead of giving them a boost towards independence. most people will just stay on welfare or other assistance programs because the jobs they can find don't offer a liveable wage. all of this of course ties in to corporate labor outsourcing, which is ruining lives in "third world" nations across the globe.

i make this point because the division of the masses into political camps like "liberal" and "conservative" is essential to controlling us. the best way to keep slaves is to make them think they're free, make believe they have a choice. once you clear the smokescreen from the air, you'll find that "liberal," "conservative," "democrat," and "republican" all come down to the exact same thing. why? it's because the so-called president is only a frontman for the same forces that have ruled us for centuries… probably even millenia.
consider this:
some girl you never met and probably never will in some town you've never heard of in some state you've never been to has an abortion. why do you care? is it the reckless loss of life? no, that couldn't be it. american soldiers are dying overseas, and not only that… they're dropping bombs on innocent women and children and that doesn't affect you. so what is it? is it because this is an american child who deserves the right to be born and raised in the "greatest nation in the world?" well, there are tons of kids in this so-called great nation's foster care system who are being abused and mistreated in ways you could never imagine; so who's fighting for them? maybe you care because someone told you you should. funny, that compassionate soul never gave a second thought to the scores of american children left to rot as wards of the state, but he must be good. he wants to make sure this child lives to join their ranks!

but, of course, this guy's motivation has nothing to do with the woman, the embryo, or the doctor. this guy thinks that if he can make you care, he can get your vote. more than that, his friend knows that if he convinces a bunch of people to care equally about the woman's right to choose, you'll fight about it for ages, and maybe you won't notice when they slip some legislative nightmare like nafta or the patriot act through congress.

its funny… your reasons for not supporting ron paul are my reasons to vote for him. i don't like government secrecy… not in a democracy supposedly "for the people, by the people." that phrase means the people have a say in everything. by the way, the legalization of all drugs would diminish virtually all drug related crime and free up our jail cells for the murderers, rapists, and pedophiles that have been parolled after serving 2-3 years of their sentences. if the legalized drugs were handled as they are in amsterdam, we would surely see a decrease in violent crime altogether. you see, freedom is personal choice… something we're sufficiently lacking in these turbulent times. if i want to marry another woman, that'd be my choice and doesn't affect you in any way. i should be able to do what i want and to hell with your opinions on how i should live my life. same goes if i wanted to be a dirtbag and shoot up dope. whatever… the only person you should try to control is yourself.

why do we try to control other people? our minds have been conditioned to it since the day we were born. because we are being controlled. we are slaves. slaves to the dollar, to technology, to the subliminal trances induced when we stare into the television. accept it or not, know it or not, we are slaves, and everything we do in this society only empowers our captors more.

haven't you ever felt it, working for one corporation or the other, something heavy like chains, fastening you to your lot in life? or the claustrophobia of the walls surrounding you? we live to make someone else prosper. we are trapped in this reality that consists of work and work and work and we don't really gain anything… no true freedom, no spiritual insight, no truth, no wisdom; only this. imprisoned in for walls, with a glowing box to hypnotize and pacify us… pharmaceuticals to control the minds of our kids when they can't put up with the prison we send them to for conditioning.

sorry about the rant but who in the world is gonna save us?